Fred Rosen returns for this interview with True Murder’s Dan Zupansky. Rosen is a character! We first heard Zupansky interview him about the “Lobster Boy” murder. [It’s even stranger than you think!] What makes Rosen a good guest is how much he goes off topic. Just as you are about to learn a little too much about the author, he steers the conversation back to true crime. This interview is like a rickety wooden roller coaster that puts you ill at ease until you come rushing safely back to the start.

This recent episode is about the incredible double life lead by Baptist Deacon Sam Smithers. How can a loving father and husband be the same man who is a brutal killer of prostitutes? How can one man be so different? To quote the author, “When a devilish deacon’s secrets are discovered, it’s revealed that a man who was holier than thou was also guilty as sin…”